Reference Implementation Meeting 2010-11-02
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Status of Notes: DRAFT
Date: November 2, 2010
Time: 12:00pm-1:00pm EDT
Attendees: Mark Bamberg, Brian Behlendorf, Teresa Black, George Cole, Ron Cordell, Michael Firriolo, Beau Grantham, Chaminda Gunaratne, Andy Heeren, Tim Jeffcoat, Steve Kehlet, Sri Koka, Chris Lomonico, Umesh Madan, Arien Malec, Greg Meyer, John Moehrke, Stephen Outten, Vassil Peytchev, Jas Singh, Lin Wan, John Williams, Rob Wilmot, Jeremy (InterSystems)
Date: November 2, 2010
Time: 12:00pm-1:00pm EDT
Attendees: Mark Bamberg, Brian Behlendorf, Teresa Black, George Cole, Ron Cordell, Michael Firriolo, Beau Grantham, Chaminda Gunaratne, Andy Heeren, Tim Jeffcoat, Steve Kehlet, Sri Koka, Chris Lomonico, Umesh Madan, Arien Malec, Greg Meyer, John Moehrke, Stephen Outten, Vassil Peytchev, Jas Singh, Lin Wan, John Williams, Rob Wilmot, Jeremy (InterSystems)
Current Actions
| # |
Date |
Action |
Status |
Owner |
Due Date |
| 6 |
2010/08/18 |
Prepare for virtual sprint to on-board new coders and plug them into projects |
Open |
Arien Malec, Brian Behlendorf, Beau Grantham |
2010/08/24 |
| 33 |
2010/09/07 |
Prepare a "hit-list" for bite-sized tasks for other developers to taken on |
Extended |
Umesh Madan |
2010/10/26 |
| 36 |
2010/09/14 |
Review Container proposals from John Theisen & Chris Lomonico |
Open |
Umesh Madan |
2010/09/28 |
| 37 |
2010/09/14 |
Take on the improvements for the CERT Resolver |
Open |
Chris Lomonico |
2010/09/28 |
| 40 |
2010/09/14 |
Assemble a proposal to address the IHE v. HL7 audit considerations |
Extended |
Pat Pyette |
2010/10/26 |
| 48 |
2010/10/19 |
Hold Greg Meyer's suggested off-line discussion around documentation for the Config |
Open |
Greg Meyer, Pat Pyette, Tim Houlding |
2010/10/26 |
| 51 |
2010/11/02 |
Develop a Road to Code Complete for the CSharp Reference Implementation |
Open |
Umesh Madan |
2010/11/09 |
| 52 |
2010/11/02 |
Prepare CSharp/Java plans for completing their 1.0 releases and next steps |
Open |
Umesh Madan, Beau Grantham, Greg Meyer, Arien Malec |
2010/11/09 |
Actions from Two Week's Ago
| # |
Date |
Action |
Status |
Owner |
Due Date |
| 6 |
2010/08/18 |
Prepare for virtual sprint to on-board new coders and plug them into projects |
Open |
Arien Malec, Brian Behlendorf, Beau Grantham |
2010/08/24 |
| 33 |
2010/09/07 |
Prepare a "hit-list" for bite-sized tasks for other developers to taken on |
TABLED |
Umesh Madan |
2010/10/26 |
| 36 |
2010/09/14 |
Review Container proposals from John Theisen & Chris Lomonico |
Open |
Umesh Madan |
2010/09/28 |
| 37 |
2010/09/14 |
Take on the improvements for the CERT Resolver |
Open |
Chris Lomonico |
2010/09/28 |
| 40 |
2010/09/14 |
Assemble a proposal to address the IHE v. HL7 audit considerations |
Extended |
Pat Pyette |
2010/10/26 |
| 48 |
2010/10/19 |
Hold Greg Meyer's suggested off-line discussion around documentation for the Config |
Open |
Greg Meyer, Pat Pyette, Tim Houlding |
2010/10/26 |
| 49 |
2010/10/19 |
Write up description of how to link/route domains to incorporate GoDaddy |
TABLED |
Umesh Madan |
2010/10/21 |
| 50 |
2010/10/19 |
Publish HISP-focused approach to Direct Project October Face-to-Face Meeting |
CLOSED |
Arien Malec |
2010/10/26 |
Agenda
- October Code-a-thon Wrap-up
- Java Update
- CSharp Update
- Open Discussion
October Code-a-thon Wrap-up
Brian Behlendorf
- Reported setting up an Implementation Interoperability Matrix for all the different ways senders and receivers can interact
- Further reported that a Bare Metal Project has been initiated on the Java side to launch as quickly as possible
CSharp Update
Chris Lomonico
- Reported that he was making progress on the Config store component
Arien Malec
- Commented that Vassil Peytchev has been checking stuff in on XDS metadata side
- Indicated that Arien Malec has a working edition of the XDM
- Recognized that the CSharp team is not making nearly as much progress as the Java team
Vassil Peytchev
- Suggested they need to do some clean-up with his and George Cole's code checked in
Arien Malec
- Responded that Vassil Peytchev's work seems pretty configurable
- Can talk about this off-line
Brian Behlendorf
- Asked if there is any way to get something to call a 1.0 release of CSharp
Arien Malec
- Responded that it is so slow on the XDR side that it tough to say
Brian Behlendorf
- Asked: Any Implementation Geographies interested in a .NET implementation of XD*?
Arien Malec
- Responded that he will ask during the Implementation Geographies WG call
Umesh Madan
- Indicated that he had joined the call a later but was present
- Reported on outcomes from Code-a-thon
- Learned a few things
- Good news: Chris Moyer and Umesh Madan completed their interoperability tests
- Checked in some minor updates
- Highlighted a missing piece: a web-based Config/UI on top of the existing command line stuff
- Command line stuff is good for scripting, but not as usable
- Solicited volunteers to help out with the Config/UI
- Added that HealthVault is doing their interoperability tests
- Asked if Chris Lomonico was on the call
Chris Lomonico
- Responded that he was present
- Reasserted that he was handling the Config store to hold all the DNS MX/CERTs
- Plans to have this done by mid-next week
Teresa Black
- Introduced herself on behalf of Alere
- Asked what the opportunity was
Arien Malec
- Responded that the Java team has a really nice web-based Config/UI
- CSharp has the command line stuff, but is lacking such a component
Umesh Madan
- Added that this would also upload CERTs, etc.
- Stated that command line work took Umesh Madan a couple of days to handle
- For the Config/UI many of the pieces are in place, just has not been touched
- Working with standard building blocks - does not need to be too fancy
- Just need a volunteer to assist
Brian Behlendorf
- Asked what is left before they can put the 1.0 label on the CSharp reference implementation
- Pointed to how the Java side has been tracking the "Road to Java Code Complete"
Umesh Madan
- Responded primarily what lacks is the Config/UI
- DNS is handy
- Indicated that most of these open questions will arise when they get feedback from people
- They have closed all their open issues from the tracker on the CSharp Reference Implementation page
Greg Meyer
- Stated that he has been looking at the Maven central repository
- Getting really close to the 1.0 release
Arien Malec
- Asserted that aside the Config/UI, the SMTP-Agent HISP model for CSharp is getting close to the 1.0 release as well
Umesh Madan
- Indicated that he will update the Wiki page by tomorrow's phone call
- Added that he wants to talk to John Theisen about the setup/MSI stuff
- John has a single MSI that should be able to install in the entire gateway
- Gets built in part of the initial build
- For those of who have spare boxes, they should be able to run this
Java Update
Brian Behlendorf
- Asked Greg Meyer or Beau Grantham to provide a WG update
Beau Grantham
- Indicated that the Code-a-thon went really well
- Stated that the Java side discovered it was lacking some documentation for the agent-HISP
- Spent a lot of time fixing that
- Reported that they tried to get a bare metal system at the Code-a-thon
- Fred Trotter and Mirth Corporation helped out with this
- Come up with a list of tests
- Goal was to take a tarball and include James and Jetty
- Beau Grantham has been able to stand up an EC2 instance
- Fred Trotter and Mirth Corporation helped out with this
Arien Malec
- Agreed that they should try to get a standard set of test cases across the board
Greg Meyer
- Asked about using a Maven plug-in for all of it
- They would assemble the final tarball
- Point: Could go through the last steps if the tarball had been installed
- Developers would not have to start from scratch
- They would assemble the final tarball
Arien Malec
- Suggested there will be two types of people
- First type: "Just give me the HISP"
- Second type: "Yes I want all of the code, but I really want to get up and running"
- Those who want the Bare Metal Project
Beau Grantham
- Clarified the location of the Bare Metal Project on the Direct Project Wiki
Greg Meyer
- Suggested they look at what they are gearing up for the 1.0 release
- Will discuss at the Java Reference Implementation team meeting
- Asked: How will they submit things to the central service repository?
- Working with a service provider
- Suggested that a set of guidelines need to be set-up for all the different projects with the central repository
- Dependencies should only be within the main repositories, not other repositories
- Every project now has a snapshot in the main repository
- This way, for those who are doing their own, you can pull down the snapshot instead of Mercurial
- Reemphasized that the coming Thursday's Java Meeting purpose is to prepare for the 1.0 release
- Goal for the 1.0 release = next week
- Indicated that he is looking to do some artifact changes for the agent and the client
- Trying to align the naming conventions
- Not against the rules, but there are better ways to go
- Aims for no code/interface/package changes
- Trying to align the naming conventions
Beau Grantham
- Added that Mark Bamberg will continue to help with install scripts
- Some things are still hard-coded in there, but will be cleaned up
Greg Meyer
- Asked if they may want to keep pulling small bits from the cache
- Will be pulling all of those down from central
Beau Grantham
- Clarified that in the next instance they will not likely have that in the cache
Arien Malec
- Indicated that they will most likely want to pull-in the jars
Greg Meyer
- Responded that most Java implementations use the palms already
- If one is doing eclipse from palm, then it will download all the Javadocs as well
Beau Grantham
- Added that he is trying to clean-up the James configuration
- Going behind the scenes to do the Telnet updates
- Will talk to Pat Pyette and Tim Jeffcoat about that
Greg Meyer
- Added that it would be nice to tool those in through the front-end of the UI
Beau Grantham
- Stated that is all he had to report
Open Discussion
Brian Behlendorf
- Raised the GoDaddy.com problem
Arien Malec
- Responded that the configuration problems need to be addressed
- Issue #1: Small practice problem
- DNS allows a sub-domain to have a NS record
- Typical HISP wants to be able do routing, the CERT records, and make all things work
- Want to be able to say: Do X and everything will work
- Easiest way: Assign the NS records for your sub-domains to you HISP
- Does not work best with GoDaddy.com
- Option #1: List all of the records in a registry and using a different Web Hosting service
- Such as suggesting they switch from GoDaddy.com to something like 1and1.com
- Option #2: Changing around the code to work with GoDaddy.com
- Option #3: Elegant path not yet discovered
- Goal: Instructions for how to exactly set-up
- Issue #2: Large Institutions
- How do you configure DNS for a large healthcare institution (ex. the VA) that manages its own DNS
- Could assign all the NS records themselves and also do all the pointing
- How do you configure DNS for a large healthcare institution (ex. the VA) that manages its own DNS
Umesh Madan
- Asked about the little guy for who this out of their control
John Moehrke
- Asked for clarification if they were talking about DNS CERT issues
- Asked if this would not raise concerns regarding anti-trust
Arien Malec
- Commented that regardless, they need to have recommendations for small practices as well as large institutions
- Guide for I want to use a HISP and use DNS, how do I do it?
- Guide for I want to be my own HISP and use DNS, how do I do it?
Brian Behlendorf
- Stated that he is generally not in favor of supporting conventions that are not as implementable with multiple vendors
Arien Malec
- Added that a special purpose domain just seems not as favorable
John Moehrke
- Commented that is not a good way to raise the social trust
Arien Malec
- Agreed with John Moehrke
- Did not want to spend too much more time on this
- Summarized that tomorrow the CSharp team will put together the plan for 1.0 release for parts 1 and part 2
Beau Grantham
- Added that the Java team will be doing that on Thursday, but very close
Arien Malec
- Stressed that the WG needs to complete remaining items
- Then move toward supporting the implementation geographies' pilot implementations
October Code-a-thon Wrap-up
Brian Behlendorf
- Reported setting up an Implementation Interoperability Matrix for all the different ways senders and receivers can interact
- Further reported that a Bare Metal Project has been initiated on the Java side to launch as quickly as possible
CSharp Update
Chris Lomonico
- Reported that he was making progress on the Config store component
Arien Malec
- Commented that Vassil Peytchev has been checking stuff in on XDS metadata side
- Indicated that Arien Malec has a working edition of the XDM
- Recognized that the CSharp team is not making nearly as much progress as the Java team
Vassil Peytchev
- Suggested they need to do some clean-up with his and George Cole's code checked in
Arien Malec
- Responded that Vassil Peytchev's work seems pretty configurable
- Can talk about this off-line
Brian Behlendorf
- Asked if there is any way to get something to call a 1.0 release of CSharp
Arien Malec
- Responded that it is so slow on the XDR side that it tough to say
Brian Behlendorf
- Asked: Any Implementation Geographies interested in a .NET implementation of XD*?
Arien Malec
- Responded that he will ask during the Implementation Geographies WG call
Umesh Madan
- Indicated that he had joined the call a later but was present
- Reported on outcomes from Code-a-thon
- Learned a few things
- Good news: Chris Moyer and Umesh Madan completed their interoperability tests
- Checked in some minor updates
- Highlighted a missing piece: a web-based Config/UI on top of the existing command line stuff
- Command line stuff is good for scripting, but not as usable
- Solicited volunteers to help out with the Config/UI
- Added that HealthVault is doing their interoperability tests
- Asked if Chris Lomonico was on the call
Chris Lomonico
- Responded that he was present
- Reasserted that he was handling the Config store to hold all the DNS MX/CERTs
- Plans to have this done by mid-next week
Teresa Black
- Introduced herself on behalf of Alere
- Asked what the opportunity was
Arien Malec
- Responded that the Java team has a really nice web-based Config/UI
- CSharp has the command line stuff, but is lacking such a component
Umesh Madan
- Added that this would also upload CERTs, etc.
- Stated that command line work took Umesh Madan a couple of days to handle
- For the Config/UI many of the pieces are in place, just has not been touched
- Working with standard building blocks - does not need to be too fancy
- Just need a volunteer to assist
Brian Behlendorf
- Asked what is left before they can put the 1.0 label on the CSharp reference implementation
- Pointed to how the Java side has been tracking the "Road to Java Code Complete"
Umesh Madan
- Responded primarily what lacks is the Config/UI
- DNS is handy
- Indicated that most of these open questions will arise when they get feedback from people
- They have closed all their open issues from the tracker on the CSharp Reference Implementation page
Greg Meyer
- Stated that he has been looking at the Maven central repository
- Getting really close to the 1.0 release
Arien Malec
- Asserted that aside the Config/UI, the SMTP-Agent HISP model for CSharp is getting close to the 1.0 release as well
Umesh Madan
- Indicated that he will update the Wiki page by tomorrow's phone call
- Added that he wants to talk to John Theisen about the setup/MSI stuff
- John has a single MSI that should be able to install in the entire gateway
- Gets built in part of the initial build
- For those of who have spare boxes, they should be able to run this
Java Update
Brian Behlendorf
- Asked Greg Meyer or Beau Grantham to provide a WG update
Beau Grantham
- Indicated that the Code-a-thon went really well
- Stated that the Java side discovered it was lacking some documentation for the agent-HISP
- Spent a lot of time fixing that
- Reported that they tried to get a bare metal system at the Code-a-thon
- Fred Trotter and Mirth Corporation helped out with this
- Come up with a list of tests
- Goal was to take a tarball and include James and Jetty
- Beau Grantham has been able to stand up an EC2 instance
- Fred Trotter and Mirth Corporation helped out with this
Arien Malec
- Agreed that they should try to get a standard set of test cases across the board
Greg Meyer
- Asked about using a Maven plug-in for all of it
- They would assemble the final tarball
- Point: Could go through the last steps if the tarball had been installed
- Developers would not have to start from scratch
- They would assemble the final tarball
Arien Malec
- Suggested there will be two types of people
- First type: "Just give me the HISP"
- Second type: "Yes I want all of the code, but I really want to get up and running"
- Those who want the Bare Metal Project
Beau Grantham
- Clarified the location of the Bare Metal Project on the Direct Project Wiki
Greg Meyer
- Suggested they look at what they are gearing up for the 1.0 release
- Will discuss at the Java Reference Implementation team meeting
- Asked: How will they submit things to the central service repository?
- Working with a service provider
- Suggested that a set of guidelines need to be set-up for all the different projects with the central repository
- Dependencies should only be within the main repositories, not other repositories
- Every project now has a snapshot in the main repository
- This way, for those who are doing their own, you can pull down the snapshot instead of Mercurial
- Reemphasized that the coming Thursday's Java Meeting purpose is to prepare for the 1.0 release
- Goal for the 1.0 release = next week
- Indicated that he is looking to do some artifact changes for the agent and the client
- Trying to align the naming conventions
- Not against the rules, but there are better ways to go
- Aims for no code/interface/package changes
- Trying to align the naming conventions
Beau Grantham
- Added that Mark Bamberg will continue to help with install scripts
- Somethings are still hard-coded in there, but will be cleaned up
Greg Meyer
- Asked if they may want to keep pulling small bits from the cache
- Will be pulling all of those down from central
Beau Grantham
- Clarified that in the next instance they will not likely have that in the cache
Arien Malec
- Indicated that they will most likely want to pull-in the jars
Greg Meyer
- Responded that most Java implementations use the palms already
- If one is doing eclipse from palm, then it will download all the Javadocs as well
Beau Grantham
- Added that he is trying to clean-up the James configuration
- Going behind the scenes to do the Telnet updates
- Will talk to Pat Pyette and Tim Jeffcoat about that
Greg Meyer
- Added that it would be nice to tool those in through the front-end of the UI
Beau Grantham
- Stated that is all he had to report
Open Discussion
Brian Behlendorf
- Raised the GoDaddy.com problem
Arien Malec
- Responded that the configuration problems need to be addressed
- Issue #1: Small practice problem
- DNS allows a sub-domain to have a NS record
- Typical HISP wants to be able do routing, the CERT records, and make all things work
- Want to be able to say: Do X and everything will work
- Easiest way: Assign the NS records for your sub-domains to you HISP
- Does not work best with GoDaddy.com
- Option #1: List all of the records in a registry
- Suggest they switch from GoDaddy.com to OnetoOne
- Option #2: Changing around the code to work with GoDaddy.com
- Option #3: Elegant path not yet discovered
- Goal: Instructions for how to exactly set-up
- Issue #2: Large Institutions
- How do you configure DNS for a large healthcare institution (ex. the VA) that manages its own DNS
- Could assign all the NS records themselves and also do all the pointing
- How do you configure DNS for a large healthcare institution (ex. the VA) that manages its own DNS
Umesh Madan
- Asked about the little guy for who this out of their control
John Moehrke
- Asked for clarification if they were talking about DNS CERT issues
- Asked if this would not raise concerns regarding anti-trust
Arien Malec
- Commented that regardless, they need to have recommendations for small practices as well as large institutions
- Guide for I want to use a HISP and use DNS, how do I do it?
- Guide for I want to be my own HISP and use DNS, how do I do it?
Brian Behlendorf
- Stated that he is generally not in favor of supporting conventions that are not as implementable with multiple vendors
Arien Malec
- Added that a special purpose domain just seems not as favorable
John Moehrke
- Commented that is not a good way to raise the social trust
Arien Malec
- Agreed with John Moehrke
- Did not want to spend too much more time on this
- Summarized that tomorrow the CSharp team will put together the plan for 1.0 release for parts 1 and part 2
Beau Grantham
- Added that the Java team will be doing that on Thursday, but very close
Arien Malec
- Stressed that the WG needs to complete remaining items
- Then move toward supporting the implementation geographies' pilot implementations